DAVID: Same answer: They can be DNA programmed so it looks like they have minds of their own. Those abilities of theirs do exist, but how it works can be in two ways, yours and mine. > > dhw: I was pointing out that Shapiro seems to be on my side rather than yours. However, this is a fair acknowledgement which should end once and for all the dogmatic statements that these organisms are automatons. They only might be.-I'm as dogmatic as ever. Yours or mine, I'll pick mine.