I think science is proving the nay-sayers wrong more and more, but only time will tell.-Let me get this straight ... 1) Are you claiming a fully deterministic process of science can be used to 'prove' or disprove free will (and it is doing so)? 2) This would put you firmly in the compatibilist camp would it not? -The first position just does not make sense to me and the second is a semantic argument.