David: I don't know where you are. Even in quantum theory, you don't get something from nothing. > > Romansh:Describe nothing to me. > > http://www.agnosticsinternational.org/forum/viewtopic.php?f=53&t=1203-I know Krauss' position and he has been laughed at by a number of philosophers. He thinks getting a universe from a quantum perturbation in a virtual quantum vacuum is something from nothing. A spacetime quantum vacuum with things poppng in and out of our existence is not nothing. Nothing is an absolute void, which I believe has never existed. There has always been something to answer Leibniz' question.