Thank you for a great response, but I think Romansh was goading me with his non-sequitur, because he thinks in such a materialistic way. Consciousness is immaterial but requires a material brain to experience it. See my previous note on Nagel.-If I were goading you, my stick would be far more pointy David.-You still did not answer my earlier question.-Or are you saying emergence is limited to things like life and consciousness that have Nagelian theistic worldviews?