Romansh I don't buy that David. > > > > So once an emergent behaviour is understood sufficiently to be explainable it ceases to be emergent? > > > > But I am glad that you think 'consciousness' does not disobey the first law. > > No, I just don't think that the you tube pendulum was an emergent pheomenon. The mechanics were set up to surprise you in advance. Life also emerges from biochemistry, not as a physical setup.-You did not answer my point David. If we can explain a supposed emergent phenomenon is it still emergent?