dhw: You know that I accept the complexity argument, and I have the greatest respect for your faith. I have merely pointed out that your beliefs are not based on EXPERIMENTAL evidence, as you claimed above. Experimental evidence suggests that the truth of your belief can be scientifically tested, and it can't. -I reach a point from scientific evidence to conclude that beyond a doubt God exists. Then my belief appears. I know my belief isn't proof. > > dhw: In our discussions on evolution, I have based a design theory on the findings of some eminent biologists, who claim that microorganisms are sentient, intelligent, cognitive beings. You insist that an organism without a brain cannot be conscious (not to be confused with human self-awareness), even though you contradict yourself through your belief that consciousness does not depend on the brain.-You have forgotten that I believe consciousness is received by the brain, but is its own separate entity that that survives without a functional brain episode as in NDE's. Apparently you only accept that only a brain can make a consciousness. I don't.