Sorry if my response seemed a little ungracious. You are providing us with an amazing array of views and developments in many different fields, and in adding my comments to yours, I am only trying to clarify some of the ideas we discuss.....I thought your focus on the automaticity of cell response required a very conscious response from me! It also tied in rather neatly with our dispute over your claim to be an empiricist!-By his definitions I'm much more an empiricist than a realist, since he offered only two classes of thought.