DAVID: Shapiro was president of his Temple. > > dhw: Thank you. So there is one theist who is not joining you.-What Shapiro thinks privately and what he produces scientifically may not be what you think. In his career he deals with atheistic superiors. His read/write approach to how cells work may be attributed to God in his personal thoughts. That is how I interpret his work. > > dhw: I asked about ID evolutionists, and if they accept common descent, they cannot possibly dismiss Darwin completely. -I sense that many of them do not accept common descent. Many don't like theistic evolution, and Tony's view may be prevalent.