You SO get my point but you also don&apos;t get my point. You can&apos;t be "against" [or resist] something that doesn&apos;t exist. There is existence. There is nothing else.[/b]-I didn&apos;t say that, you did. Nothingness must surround God and the universe. > > If the universe came "from nothing" but is contained "within" God--you engage in a pure contradiction. It really is that simple. The corollary becomes "God is nothing." -Meaningless. I said that in my concept God made the universe > > Lets try this a third way. In the beginning, there is God. God is the entirety of the universe--God is all that exists. God then "thinks" in its mind, an extension of its own existence. It&apos;s not a separate existence. It&apos;s still the universe. If I think a world in my mind, I&apos;m still the universe, and my thought is merely an extension. It is NOT a separate thing. > > This is "Something creating something else." There is no void between universe and God, there is only universe. The continuity that is existence is never broken. <--This observation is the key, and this has solidified as final a position as I could ever take. It is not possible to state that the universe and God are separate things without negating God. -God is the universe as I conceive of his creation. I never thought of a void between them. > > The question "Why is there something rather then nothing," now applies to God-Your reasoning is right on. I agree. God and the universe are the same in slightly different aspects.