By definition a first cause has to have the power to cause. It must be an eternal 'something'. Eternal, or otherwise it would not be a first cause. Naturally it can exist in a void, surrounded by that void, but separate from it. > > > > Since you agree there has to a first choice, why not pick something? > > You've stopped being a panentheist here. These are the arguments of traditional Judaism/Christianity.-I believe in first cause and God as a panenthistic God. I can mix and match any way I want. I take a road less travelled. Ask Robert Frost.