DAVID: Let me put it another way. God exists outside human concepts of time, which you are still applying to him.

dhw: What does that mean? I do not believe that your God wears a wristwatch. However, I can’t see any possible way in which he can create something or even think a thought without a before and an after. If you can’t either, then how can you say he does not exist within that concept of time, to which you have already agreed?

DAVID: God existing in eternity is unchanging.

I don’t know where you get your information from. God never learns, God never experiences anything, doesn’t realize that when he creates something there is a before and after, and when he thinks something there is a before the thought and after the thought.

DAVID: No time passes.

So God doesn’t realize there is a before and after.

DAVID: The universe is started and time begins.

God starts the universe and doesn’t realize there was a before the universe and an after the universe. And you also happen to know that God never did or thought a darned thing before he started the universe.

DAVID: Simple concept.

Perhaps you should give me your own definition of time.