To me you are amazing. You jump into this arcane garbage and skip the real issue; ideas, thoughts, and concepts are immaterial, aren't they?-Note - you said: > David BUT they are ideas. Touch one and show me that you did. You can't. The content and meanings of thought are totally immaterial.-So my brain patterns would say "No!"-Our blood flow is a reflection of what's going on in the brain ... admittedly a very poor one. But that we can get anything out of the blood flow proxy is incredible. You might not think so; but it is way of touching what we perceive as consciousness.