dhw: I have added in bold the section of the Kauffman quote that you left out, as it is the crucial difference between your concept and his. > [/i] > > DAVID: But at least I'm happy with my choice.[/i] > > dhw: I know you are happy with your choice, and I would not want our discussions to cast even the slightest shadow over your happiness. I am by nature also quite a happy soul, and my choice not to choose does not impinge on my love of life. In some strange way, perhaps it is even an enhancement.-I find the 'fact' of our lives extraordinary. The richness of our aesthetic accomplishments gives us a life to enjoy and love. That alone indicates the gap I am fond of pointing out. Do you think silverbacks have the same view?