bbella: Possibly, David, energy has always been, just as consciousness may have always been. But I'm not proposing consciousness is nothing or came from nothing. I am proposing the possibility that consciousness is something, e.g. knowing, but is not itself made out of or from energy.-Certainly you may be correct. Consciousness is mysterious. We don't know how it arises. Van Lommel proposes that it is like electromagnetic waves of a radio signal, which brings it back to a form of energy, and the brain acts like a receiver. -There has to be something from the beginning. Consciousness made of energy is still my choice.