dhw:I hope you know by now, David, how much respect and admiration I have for your use of science in your quest for the truth, but you know yourself that science can only go so far, and then it HAS to give way to faith............. For a long time you have argued against concepts of a Universal Intelligence that endow it with attributes. If I've understood BBella's ATI correctly, that is precisely what she has presented you with.-I do not apply human attributes, such as love or meanness to the UI. When I say do not humanize God, I mean remove all human emotions. Self-awareness is a different issue. It is an attribute of the kind of consciousness we humans have, and I feel the UI has and has had before we achieved it.