I really think your dogmatic attitude on this point is forever annoying, lol. However, even if we get a machine that acts like us, walks like us, introspects like us--because we don't know how to 'test' consciousness--you can keep making that claim. > > Of course, that same fact also allows me equally infinite skepticism to ID, so I suppose it shouldn't annoy me too much.-No point in annoyance. As for testing consciousness, we know it when we feel it, to revert to supreme court reasoning. We both can be dogmatic. I know neither of us will give in.;-()