David, > > Don't be hard on yourself, you were quoting Paul Davies! The only possible error on your part was in taking him at his word; after all, physicists tend to be pretty good at math. This doesn't however, mean they're mathematicians. But I don't consider this a fault of yours.- Thanks for the math reference. I will look into it. I don't blame myself for Davies and Godel. Others I've read made the same reference to Godel's theorem. I just don't think like you math guys, and what you have told me about Godel makes me all the more muddled.