well all i know is there isnt really a definitive answer as to whether it is IE or NS. But david what i wanna know is how are you so positive that it has to be IE > (Intelligent Design)-The answer is so long I wrote a book, but the following entry here is a brief summary, under the title 'A challenge to David' from Matt.-Monday, November 15, 2010, 16:02 . Look up this entry. I've done 30cyears of study on these subjects, read 150 books and am still reading.