David: None!!! You have given me my UI, and the only difference I see is I say the UI gave DNA and epigenetics the power to do this so all He need do is sit and watch. > > The difference for me that I see in this scenario is UI is the scenario (creation) and not a UI siting back creating and watching the scenario you've given.-For me the UI is within and without this univrse. Thus the creator is creation. I'm still with Aristotle. There MUST be a first cause. Matt will object.