Somehow this discussion forum on Agnosticism appears to have turned into a madhouse obsessed with Biblical exegesis and Pseudoscience, and the posts are too rapid and uncoordinated for me to follow. So until such time as some semblance of sense returns, it's Goodbye from me! Perhaps the site should be renamed the GnosticWeb.-George, please remain. We need a resident atheist to balance with me. See the site below about monkeys and are they self-aware, an interesting facet of the debate on consciousness.- http://www.the-scientist.com/news/display/57730/-And I agree with George. This is an unimportant side channel in our general discussion. Start a GnosticWeb and have fun into delving into dead ends outside of the accepted scriptures.