Also agreed, but I still maintain that no one knows the shape of the universe. One can work Hubble constants backward and imagine a point or singularity as Hawking once did, but as I said before mapping the universe has resulted in huge bubble areas, great walls or galaxies, and although it is overall uniform, in localized areas it is not. I don't know of an author who has described it as a perfect sphere. > > I know that no one has described it as a perfect sphere, that is because the model is wrong. My point was that if the BB happened, the universe would, by the laws of motion, have to be a perfect sphere. Since it is not a perfect sphere, which can be determined by measuring the CRMB, then the big bang can not be correct. > > Simple logic. >

• If a is true, and b is true, then C is true. >
• If C is not true, then either a or b must be false. >
• If C is not true, and B is true, then a must be false. >

-No! You have no proof that expansion was even. Look at the CRMB curves predicted by inflation by guth. they fit!!!