George, I think you know what I meant. There is broad agreement that murder, theft, lies, rape and adultery are wrong. Few would disagree with "love your neighbour". Yes, there are other points of disagreement. I didn't say that there were not. But they do not amount to a fundamental difference. For the purpose of the argument in my post (the substance of which you do not address) it was necessary for me only to assert that there was a core area of agreement. You say you have never read such piffle, and you wonder if I read the news. I wonder if you are so frustrated with the Church that your emotion hinders your ability to engage in rational debate.