DAVID: The mass of materials did not exist before the Big Bang. So how is there bottom up?

dhw: Even if the BB theory is true, how can you possibly know it was not caused by a mass of materials? It is absurd to assume that nothing preceded and caused the BB. You assume that it was preceded and caused by an immaterial, eternal, all-knowing mind. The alternative is that eternal materials caused the BB.

DAVID: What created the material initially?

dhw: What created your God initially? I give you the same answer: the materials were the “first cause”!

DAVID: We both agree something has to be eternal. I'll stick with God as quantum energy.

I don’t have a problem with your faith. I just can’t share it.

I know.