DAVID: The presence of an organized universe with humans is highly suggestive that the energy was a mind that knew what it was doing.

dhw: I shan’t oppose that argument, except to say it is equally suggestive that materials follow natural laws of self-organization, and faith in the laws of nature is no less reasonable or unreasonable than faith in an unknown, unknowable, sourceless mastermind.

DAVID: And the natural laws appeared by magic in the analysis by the Agnostic mind?

dhw: And a universal conscious mind appeared by magic in the analysis by the theist mind?

DAVID: One form of the magic must exist.

Yes indeed. That is the agnostic’s dilemma.