This question then presents a profound problem for claiming the opposite: Life was designed. - > I have heard David allude to the argument that this universe is fine-tuned for life; I would counter that claim. In all of the universe, only THIS planet is known to have this "fine tuning." The universe at large, is downright hostile to life; therefore it is not the case that the universe is fine-tuned for life. -You are not following my line of logic. Because this universe appears to be designed for life, the 'fine-tuning' allows for the Earth to appear in a form that allows life to emerge. > > We also know that there is a finite amount of matter. That means, if the universe is big enough, then any event with any given chance of probability will be guaranteed to happen.-We are discussing the limited resources of the Earth. - By your reasoning the Earth is finite. The chances for de novo life on this planet is limited to the Earth and are finite. -> > Design isn't tenable due to the things we cannot know; we cannot call something designed when we've never designed something like it. - We use life's designs all the time to to develop micro-engines and adaptations. > --- > For nobody is curious, who isn't malevolent. > Plautus