This part of the thread seems to have metamorphosed to be about Behe rather than Stenger! -I don't quote Stenger blindly as DT claims. I quote him carefully because I don't want to misrepresent his views, and the terms he uses are technical. I have been forced to quote him at greater length in order to reply to Mark in the "Nothing" thread. -I agree with xeno/Matt's view about Behe, but I think it's all been said here before. He can't be compared with Stenger.