DAVID: I don't know why you struggle. I'll accept Darwin as agnostic. What Darwin thought in his later writings does not change what atheists make of Darwin's theory. Yes, there are theistic Darwinists. My comments relate to atheists and the way current Darwinism comes across.

dhw: This discussion concerns your comment that Darwin’s theory “dismisses God out of hand.” It doesn’t. That is the only point of disagreement.

My statement:"As for Darwin, he proposed a chance evolutionary process which dismisses God out of hand." I'll stand by it. Chance rules out God.