dhw: I notice you have ignored the silly circular fallacy, so I presume you agree that it is nonsense to promote one circular fallacy against another. > DAVID: I felt it had been discussed enough for a tiny point. > > Dhw: The point was so tiny that you emphasized it in bold. There has been no discussion. I pointed out that the items you put in bold substituted one circular fallacy for another. May I assume you agree?-I do bold at times to stir discussion, bring out the author's viewpoint, and in this case I agree with his overall points. > > dhw:You have split my sentence. I see no reason to believe that space, time, energy and matter did not exist before the Big Bang.-This statement of yours is totally opposite to current philosophic and scientific belief. Space and time began with the Big Bang, and were created by it. Energy/matter in my view had to pre-exist it timelessly or there have been a series of Big Bangs.