GK: They think two basic notions are needed to "see life". Energy in > than energy out. And a "pattern in iformation exchange". Yes it is "speclative", but do you think its crazy to think we will find "life" elsewhare in the future? > > Is it crazyier than your god in QM? or "humans as the goal."?-Your discussion comes down to a major point: is life only on Earth,which supports the God concept of a special creation, or is life everywhere which would support atheism? Since we are here on Earth, obviously all the conditions are correct: a designer universe, fine-tuned for life, and a very special planet that has a very special moon and all of the other geophysical attributes to gie us a very special climate.-You are right, we don't know the answer, and life might appear somewhere else and that will change my conclusions. Life elsewhere will require another Earth-like planet, because that appears to be an essential ingredient