from david:-"No one knows what existed before the BB. Vilenkin has recently shown mathematically there is no "before" before the BB. Over 10 years ago he, Guth and Borde showed a similar result. So it looks for all the world like a creation, but by whom or what is up to your own thoughts or faith as you wish. Energy had to preceed it; You can't get something from nothing."- For the most part, That's what I think too. -maybe we just the word "created differently. I use it the sense that something actively engaging in making another something. "They "created" a theoretical math model explaining their position although there is not one shred of evidence for it." But I wouldn't use the word "created" for a tree producing an apple.- sorry again for no quote's.