GK: I am more of a "something" before the BB for sure. And yes, he can close the discussion by saying "if ....". > > But it seems to me the first sentence has a problem in that it is an unknown trait being a hinge point. Secondly the miss use of the term "pure energy" leads to some confusion. These two things used in, or basis of, a conclusion can cause some difficulty. I think I see it in all the threads.-Please quote a portion of what you have reference to, please, for a better understanding of your point.-The only thing that can be reasonably assumed is that energy in some quantum form pre-existed the BB