that is right. Between you and david you just nailed my belief to a tea. -Everything we "see" has some type of feedback to it. There are no nouns, there are only verbs. That may just include god.-"virtual" has a meaning that is used. It Looks like it is breaking a conservation rule. I think that this particle looks like this because of what we don't know. But the big boiz are looking to see why that is. -You have a knack at simplifying a complex idea in less words... lucky you.