I know you're on holiday, but when you come back--I have sufficiently given examples where a creator is invoked but doesn't require the abandoning scientific abiogenesis. (Though only one example would be enough.) You present a false dilemma when you say it must be abandoned at large if you assume a creator. There is only one instance where this is true, and that's if you assert man's existence is due entirely to a supernatural being, but then we enter into the problems I've been talking about with theology. - As for the deism part--we'll just be arguing semantics. The definitions you presented do not exclude what I am talking about, and it wouldn't matter. In the world of theism, a claim from only one person has the same weight and value as any other.