David: < You are implying that there has always been something. > > George:No I&apos;m not. There was no time for something to "always" be in. > > I keep saying this, but everyone is too set in their ways > to change their ways of thinking about time. > Actually St Augustine had the right idea on this.-I understand your point of view; time and space began together. I agree. St. A is correct. The issue is what came before that event. Either there was a false vacuum always existing, or there was a creation. According to the philosophers I&apos;ve read and quoted, it is impossible to have any other alternative. I realize thinking of an eternity before time existed is a mind twister, but time is a sequence of events. If there are no events there is no time.