I came to agnosticism after studying Godel's incompleteness theorems, though I would still call myself an atheist by definition: I may claim that we can't know whether or not a creator exists, but I still [i]don't believe[/i] in him--therefore I qualify as an atheist. - The Intelligent Design theorists use Shannon Information Theory with DNA to strongly suggest there is a designer. I understand that Godel proved math can't prove everything, so I can see where your philosophic thinking came from. With your math background,can you comment on my statement about Shannon?