dhw;The two threads "Denis Noble debunks neo-Darwinism" (he debunks one aspect of it - random mutations - and stresses complexity and cooperation between cells), and "Sticking a fork in Natural Selection" (in my view, the fork misses by a mile) do not disprove Darwin's theories of common descent or natural selection. ..... I guess sniping at the agnostic Darwin is as good a way as any to attack his atheistic interpreters!-I'm just looking ahead to future progress. Look how far we have dismantled Darwin in our discussions, and I have pointed out the frantic wails from the atheists.