dhw:I don't find that belittling at all. My point was that they are referencing the gospels but cherry picking what they took from them and ignoring what didn't fit their agenda.-Their agenda was to try and see the human Jesus, angry with the corruption of the elders of Judaism. He had a perfect right to be angry and to preach the opposite way. Anyone can cherry pick the gospels. Who knows what is really history and what is embellishment. My wife is born again, believes in Jesus but not a church of Jesus. We both agree his teachings are wonderful. Who needs a religion about him?