David: But I came to faith in God the other way around. I was on dhw's fence and it was only after studying God's works that I came to the conclusion that God must exist, much like Adler's gradual acceptance. And I agree with the point of view that we are to be 'good' for goodness sake, not for promised rewards. There is a higher adult level of religious thought than simple reward or punishment, which is the child-like approach. One shound never be frightened into believing.- I once heard a really great speaker talk about studying the two 'books' for studying God; the bible, and nature.