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> > [b]Immune responses[/b]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]If A is made just as B is made it is a formulaic system.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: All evolutionary adaptations and innovations entail changes to the structure of cell communities. So you might just as well say the whole of evolution is a “formulaic system”. How does that prove that the changes are not organized by intelligence – in your case that of your God, and in Shapiro’s that of the cells (though I add that their intelligence may have been designed by your God)?
> 
> Immunity through the production of antibodies is a singular process of choosing a part of the enemy to which a killer protein is added.
> > 
> > [b]Evolution and intelligence[/b]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]All animals think about survival but not conceptually.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: What does that mean? One day, Pete the possum sees Willy wolf sniff a dead possum and walk away, so next time he sees the wolf, he plays dead. Is this less likely than your God popping down to Planet Earth in order to teach the possum how to play dead?
> 
> Your just-so story requires conceptual thought by the possum!!
> > 
> > [b]Mind and cosmos[/b]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]Consciousness requires a brain of neurons.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: [i]This is even more confusing, but very illuminating, since you keep referring to the consciousness of NDE patients who have lost the use of their brain of neurons. But I was responding to your theory that we use God’s consciousness to form our own, as opposed to the theory that your God may have given us part of his consciousness.[/i]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]I don't know which is correct, but view our consciousness as a separate gift apart from our physical body.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw:  A “gift” confirms my “different way” (= given by your God), but it still leaves you in total confusion, since “consciousness requires a brain of neurons” and yet is apart from our physical body. Since when was our brain of neurons not a part of our physical body?
> 
> The neurons act a a receiver of consciousness (Van Lommel)
> > 
> > [b]Theoretical origin of life[/b]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]That God's use of evolution is inefficient is a human viewpoint, certainly not God's.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: And the human who has created this viewpoint is you. I very much doubt that there are many of your fellow believers who would agree with you. Even an agnostic like me finds the idea of an omnipotent but inefficient God pretty absurd.
> 
> I repeat, a human viewpoint, not God's.