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> > > I guess from my perspective, it seems like you're taking aim at the Buddhist ideal from the perspective where it's ineffable (like God.)  I've tried to demonstrate with the compass analogy, that whatever it is that YOU think Nibbana is, I think  your conception is mistaken.  See my comment above where I talk about how meditation naturally suppresses the sense of self and just do what I do and take that to the logical conclusion where Nibbana is a state of mind where you're not caught in the wind anymore.
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> > As in the other thread, I understand you lose a sense of self in meditation but can always return to it.
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> And if you die in your sleep?  
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> There's a bigger picture that I'm aiming at here.  If I take my love of philosophy as a concrete part of my 'self,' and I lose half my memories due to some trauma, then I'm lying.  Part of what I'm trying to convey is that what we take as our 'self' is often the result of a story and a timeline that we construct about ourselves, another way to phrase where I'm going is to drop the story and live in the moment.