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> > [b]Giant viruses[/b]
> > 
> > DAVID:[i] Please find some definition of evolution to see that it requires loss of species.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: Please find one for me. Changing conditions have resulted in 99.9% extinction and in new species emerging. That is history. It doesn’t mean that an all-powerful God was forced to design species irrelevant to his purpose!
> 
> Your usual fallacy. A purposeful God does not produce irrelevance.
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]Is living just eating and sleeping? No mental activity? We should just be bugs.
> > [/i]
> > 
> > dhw: No, it isn’t just eating and sleeping. So why have you pretended that it would be just that if there was no evil? I have given you a list of the “goodies” which we can enjoy without evil. You are tying yourself in knots.
> 
> Free-will will always produce evil, as a human trait.
> > 
> > [b]Centriole [/b] (now [b]first cause[/b])
> 
> > DAVID: [i]Hint: organic molecules just don't join up. It requires lots of energy or magical enzymes which appear with just the right fits!![/i]
> > 
> > dhw: No need to hint. I keep telling you I accept the logic of design! But even you admit that belief in the being described above requires irrational faith. 
> 
> Faith is not irrational.
> > 
> > [b]The wild Milky Way center[/b]
> > 
> > QUOTES: [i]“A huge black hole with high-speed stars in all sorts of wild orbits…”
> > 
> > “A few stars win the collision lottery…"[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: [i]Bearing in mind that ours is only one of billions of galaxies in a universe that contains trillions of stars and quintillions of black holes, I can’t help feeling that the lottery image is more appropriate than that of design.[/i]
> > 
> > That was the unanswered end of my post, but somehow a whole section of bacteria quotes was added to it.
> 
> I think it is all by reasoned design.
> > 
> > [b]Microbiomes and post-surgical infections[/b]
> > 
> > DAVID:[i] the infections occur, not because the bacteria are 'bad', but they are freely built to survive on any food available. Not God's fault. Bacteria necessarily live as freely-acting organisms.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: [i]And yet a couple of weeks ago, you wrote: “[b]What is fair is to blame God for natural disasters[/b]: earthquakes, terrible storms,[b] and bugs causing diseases[/b], non-human parts of his creation.” Why are you blaming him, if it’s not for the fact that he knowingly gave bacteria the freedom to infect us as well as help us? And why then would you not blame him if he knowingly gave us the freedom to do evil? Or do you mean that your omnipotent and omniscient God was powerless and too ignorant to prevent the evil caused by his inventions?[/i]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]God had to accept tradeoffs to produce life. He created the best form of life He could. We need good skin microbiomes. A slicing scalpel makes no choices, just an instrument of delivery.[/i]
> > 
> > dhw:  “Had to”…! “best he could…”?  Today he’s lost his omnipotence and omniscience. A few days ago he was to blame. Yesterday all of these evils were necessary to provide a challenge and to prevent boredom. Which of your versions are you going to offer us tomorrow?
> 
> Apparently your desired perfection cannot exist.
> > 
> > [b]Storms are needed[/b]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]The pigmy human mind does not see God's reasons for dangerous storms, until research explains God's reasons. Thus, lots of thoedistic complaints await answers[/i].
> > 
> > dhw: Like Dawkins, you wait for science to confirm what you wish to believe. Meanwhile, you have 50 million flu victims from 2018 and about 11 million holocaust victims haunting you as you announce that God allowed them to die in order to relieve the boredom, or their deaths don’t matter because God did so much good, or they shouldn’t object, because God must have had a good moral reason though you can’t think of one.
> 
> It is God's obligation to have morally sufficient reasons.