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> > DAVID: [i]I've listed your God' weaknesses: uncontrolled free-for-all, giving design control away, and others, etc[/i].
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> > dhw: If God wanted a free-for-all and designed what he wanted, I’m sorry but for the life of me I cannot see that this makes him weaker than a God who wanted control but “had to” design a system containing errors he could not control.
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> I'll remind you as before, we individually imagine God. I see your God as much weaker than mine. Our living system in my view is the only one available. You know I'm wrong?
> > 
> > [b]A cell repair design[/b]
> > 
> > DAVID: [i]I have proven a designer is required[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: You have provided a logical case for the existence of a designer. The only proof would be if your God showed himself to us. There is a logical case for materialism, but the only proof would be if we could demonstrate HOW matter transformed itself into living organisms with consciousness.
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> See today's entry on quantum immaginary numbers: materialism is dead.
> >   
> > [b]T cells[/b]
> > DAVID: [i]this back up system recognizes the need for T cell preservation, and therefore must be designed from the beginning or we would have not survived infections. This shows foresight of the future is required in creating new designs[/i]
> > 
> > dhw: You talk as if T cells were there “from the beginning”. As far as I know, they only arrived when our fellow vertebrates came into existence. Every form  of animal consists of cell communities, and I would suggest that T cells were a RESPONSE to new infections that attacked our fellow vertebrates. As with all processes relating to immunity, there would have been – just as there are now – vast numbers of victims until the survivors found a solution to the problem. I was quite taken with the quote: “[i]Like human beings, every cell in our body tries to ward off death as long as it can.[/i]”
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> The quote refers to cellular apoptosis. All organisms prior to vertebrates had immune systems and vertebrate immune system came from them. Your point is is off base.