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> > DAVID: [i]Same retort: if design keeps you agnostic, who/what is your designer?[/i]
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> > dhw: [i]Same answer: if you can believe that a supreme, conscious mind can simply exist without any source, you might as well believe that conscious minds can evolve spontaneously from material sources. I find these two beliefs equally unbelievable.[/i]
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> > DAVID: [i]I know, but something designs and it is not chance.[/i]
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> > dhw: [i]Agreed. In the context of evolution, I suggest it is the intelligent cell. In the context of the source of the intelligent cell, I can only adopt the same approach you use when I ask you awkward questions about your God and evolution: nobody knows, and we can only guess.[/i]
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> > DAVID: [i]Your answer brings back the obvious question, how did cells find that intelligence which implies the ability for abstract thought?[/i]
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> > dhw: I have just given you the answer: in the context of the source of the intelligent cell….nobody knows, and we can only guess. One guess is a mysterious, unknown being you call God. How did God find that intelligence which implies the ability for abstract thought, not to mention the knowledge and power to create a whole universe and life itself? Oh, “first cause” – intelligent cells must have a source, but an unknown and almighty intelligence doesn’t have to have a source.
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> Same old response. We exist. There is something. It cannot have come from  nothing. Something has to be first cause which  is eternal ..