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> > dhw: [i]We don’t need your demi-God Adler to tell us the blindingly obvious. Many humans want control, and many humans do not want control. Your God wants total control, but that apparently is not human; my alternative is that he does not want total control, and apparently that is human. You are twisting yourself in knots.[/i]
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> > DAVID: [i]You are the twisted one with your humanized version of God.[/i]
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> > dhw: Why is wanting total control not “humanizing”, and wanting only partial control “humanizing”?
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> Because you are using humanized reasoning to question  God's works and his reasoning behind the creation .
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> > dhw: [i]Of course he has a purposeful goal, though you prefer not to discuss it, because if you do, you will find yourself agreeing with me! I have asked you what you think was his purpose in specially designing us. Your answers so far have been to have us admire his work and to have a relationship with us, and you have also said he watches us and the rest of his creations with interest (all nice and human).[/i]
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> > DAVID: [i]My guesses are responses to your probing for God's reasons, but I view them as pure guesses, with no real substance.[/i]
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> > dhw: [b][i]So what, if it is NOT a pure guess with no real substance, is your totally illogical guess that your all-purposeful God wanted total control, and therefore had to design billions of non-human life forms, lifestyles and natural wonders in order to fill in the time he had decided to take before designing the only thing he wanted to design?[/i][/b]
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> > DAVID: [i]I don't guess. I simply accept what God chose to do as demonstrated in the history of events. And later: ….nothing you suggest can be proven, so it is all woolly guesswork. Accept history as God's work. I do.[/i]
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> > dhw:  We agree on the history of events: there is a universe, there is Planet Earth, there is life, and life began with single cells and evolved into multicellular organisms, of which we are the latest and – with our special degree of consciousness – the most complex. If God exists, it was all his doing. The comment to which you have replied, now bolded, is the area of your woolly guesswork with no real substance.
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> You forget, with faith, we accept God's work as God's work. We can only guess at His reasoning. You are perfectly describing my God and find it irrational, which is just your problem and why you are an agnostic.