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> > DAVID: [i]I will continue trying not to add human-sounding motives to any analysis I make of what I view as God's actions. We shall continue into the future! Eleven more years and I'll be 100. Possible.[/i]
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> > dhw: [i]Ah, my daughter will have to revise her description: “One stubborn old man and one stubborn even older man”.[/i]
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> > DAVID: [i]Under your influence does Jenny believe or is she with you? Her analysis of the website is correct.[/i]
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> > dhw: [i]I don’t know why you say “under my influence”, unless you are anticipating the reply and already trying to discredit it. Jenny is a highly intelligent lady in her fifties, with a mind of her own and a very sharp and critical brain. She is an agnostic, but that does not mean she merely accepts whatever Dad tells her! I should add that her “analysis” is made with an affectionate twinkle in the eye directed towards both of us, and how nice it is to record that hers is a conclusion on which we both agree![/i]
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> > DAVID: [i]No intent to denigrate lovely Jenny. We've discussed how a human develops from childhood with parental influences at work in shaping personality. Jenny did not arrive de novo at her current age. Do you deny your influence?[/i]
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> > dhw: Of course we all inherit parental traits and are influenced by our upbringing. But that does not mean every child agrees with everything the parent says or thinks! My father was a practising Jew, but I am an agnostic. My brother was an atheist, but two of his four sons are ardent Christians. Did you always agree with your father?
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> All I suggested  is that you influenced Jenny as she developed,  and you have agreed. Your further rebuttal suggests you have a fierce streak of defensiveness about  your agnosticism. In the subject of religion my Father and I had no debates. Frankly, I have  no idea what he really believed, if he had beliefs. While we were kids He went to High Holy  Days services as the entire extent of what might be called practicing Judaism.