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> > DAVID: [i]I haven't changed. Humans arrived with no obvious environmental change and against all odds. The bush of life supplies energy for evolution to continue, since it took a long time.[/i]
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> > dhw: That is not what I keep asking. With my theist’s hat on, I have even agreed that your God might have produced humans with a dabble, and we have long since agreed that life and evolution require energy. Neither of these observations means that he personally designed every lifestyle and natural wonder for the sake of humans. But at least under “[b]whale changes[/b]” you appear to have now jettisoned your theory that your God “planned” every structure, lifestyle etc. before he changed the environment. One answer given, and one still to come.
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> I 'appear' to you in strange ways. Why shouldn't He plan all of evolution to produce humans? I see that as His purpose. The bush of life provides us with many resources that we now manage. Show me why history of evolution tells us humans were required. They weren't. As for whales the only way it can work is if He designs all eight stages. Envirnomental change is simple. We see the animals move from land to water as changed mammals, but still mammals, in a new environment with overall environment the same.