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> > DAVID: [i]My point is my ape/human comparison. They both lived in exactly the same environment, but only humans involved to something much more complex and improved.[/i]
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> > dhw: Meanwhile, once again: are you backtracking on your theory that God designed all lifestyles and natural wonders to provide the energy for life to continue until he designed humans, and are you still sticking to your theory that when environmental change was involved, your God designed them (along with innovations) before he changed their environment?
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> I haven't changed. Humans arrived with no obvious environmental change and against all odds. The bush of life supplies energy for evolution to continue, since it took a long time.
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> > DAVID: [i]We continue to disagree on the reasons for the bush of life, but you do keep agreeing that energy is needed for a long term evolutionary process, and then that agreement disappears when you face the issue of humans as the goal. Darwin theory does not predict the arrival of humans. Apes are still apes.[/i]
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> > dhw: Darwin’s theory could hardly predict the arrival of humans since humans had already arrived! :-) His contribution was to tell us that we and apes sprang from a common ancestor, and that all species sprang from a few forms or just one. I don’t know why you keep bringing Darwin into it when what is under the microscope is your own attempt to impose your anthropocentrism on the entire history of life.
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> We agree on common descent. Beyond that I'm sure the rest of Darwin's thoughts do not apply. I bring up his theory when you seem to be implying some of them, those trying to explain common descent.