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> > DAVID: [i]The primary purpose of evolution is humans. You are reverting to pure Darwin. Speciation can occur without environmental changes.[/i]
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> > dhw: So are you backtracking on your insistence that only God could have designed all the lifestyles and natural wonders, and did so in order to keep life going until he could produce humans? We have no idea how speciation takes place, but I would draw your attention to your own comment: “[i]The evolution of the conditions on Earth and the evolution of life obviously co-evolved.[/i]” Yes, it’s obvious. However, according to you God creates new species, lifestyles and natural wonders, and afterwards creates the conditions in which they are able to live, as opposed to new environments triggering structural changes.
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> My point is my ape/human comparison. They both lived in exactly the same environment, but only humans involved to something much more complex and improved.
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> > dhw: Since we both believe evolution happened, then clearly if God exists, he used evolutionary methods to achieve his goals. However, the goal that you impose on him (the production of humans) does not fit in with the higgledy-piggledy history of evolution, and there is no evidence that the evolutionary processes he prefers are a 3.8-billion-year-old programme and/or dabbling not only for every single innovation, lifestyle and natural wonder, but also for every single change in the environment – local and global – that apparently followed on after he had designed the organism that was to live in the new environment.
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> We continue to disagree on the reasons for the bush of life, but you do keep agreeing that energy is needed for a long term evolutionary process, and then that agreement disappears when you face the issue of humans as the goal. Darwin theory does not predict the arrival of humans. Apes are still apes.