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> dhw: [i]I&apos;m not sure how much I can rely on your &#147;sense&#148;, but you do believe in common descent, and so even if you are right about the &#147;many&#148;, my question would relate to how many of the remaining few share your belief in a 3.8-billion-year programme/divine dabbling for all the innovations, lifestyles etc. But you have already answered that in such a way as to make it clear that even among the evolutionary ID-ers you consider to be your supporters, you are actually pretty isolated.[/i]-DAVID: [i]They generally don&apos;t like the idea of theistic evolution, which places them closer to Tony. But I use their concept of information driving life, and they call for a designer, just as I do[/i].-Just to remind you of our starting point: I have suggested that cellular intelligence is the driving force behind evolution, as opposed to your divine 3.8-billion-year computer programme and/or divine dabbling. You have granted odds of 50/50, but are adamant that you are right, and &#147;[b][i]Theists will join me, and I remain with the claim that all the ID scientists are on my side[/i][/b].&#148; Now it appears that most ID scientists don&apos;t even share your belief in evolution, let alone in the 3.8-billion-year computer programme, so you are left with dabbling, which without common descent (which you believe in) becomes separate creation. I have to agree with you, however, that all ID scientists share your belief in ID.