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> > [i]Six hypotheses concerning evolution: 1) Evolution happened through innovations caused by random mutations; 2) Evolution didn&apos;t happen: God made every species independently at the same time; 3) Evolution didn&apos;t happen: but God made every species separately at different times; 4) Evolution happened: God preprogrammed the first cells to pass on every stage of it; 5) Evolution happened: God directed it through innovations, as he inserted sequences of new computer programmes into different existing cell communities; 6) Evolution happened through innovations created by intelligent cell communities, whose intelligence may or may not have been created by a God.[/i] >  > DHW [i]If life depends on other life in order to exist, and this requires communication and planning between cells etc., then cells must be able to communicate and plan. In that case, 6 remains extremely relevant. -> TONY: [i]Life depends on life. True.  > Life depends on cellular communication. True. > Cellular communication does NOT mean cellular planning, however, and that communication is very, very limited[/i]. >  > dhw: That is David&apos;s argument too.  All three hypotheses remain speculation.-Your cell planning is simply wild speculation, because you continue to ignore the complex specificity of life, as Tony and I point out. Cells cannot plan for major change. Look at the whale series, giant changes requiring major engineering. Only advanced intelligence can. This is one of the major reasons I became a theist.-> dhw:Concept 3, of course, excludes evolution. I do hope David will explain to you why he is so against it.-I don&apos;t follow the Bible. God is mentally powerful enough to not need 3.-> dhw:If 90% of species are killed off by a new environment, maybe those that survive do so because their inventive mechanism is able not only to adapt to it but also to exploit it.-That has happened. The Permian extinction killed off 90%, but life came back and diversified again. Doesn&apos;t tell us how.